Andy & Nicole - Owners, Andy K's Donuts

After discovering a mutual love of donuts while dating, Andy & Nicole decided they wanted to recreate their favorites from scratch. From starting in their home kitchen over five years ago, to signing a lease on a commercial kitchen they have continued to grow with their community and fans. They've been lucky enough to work with local businesses and events and look forward to the day they can open their own donut shop.

 

Troy: Good morning, Austin. Hope everyone is doing phenomenal this year with the brand New Year's resolutions and everything going on for everyone. It's the first day of the work week, since I know a lot of people also head off yesterday as the New Year's holiday for a lot of company stuff too.

Today I am happy to be joined by Andy and Nicole of Andy Kay's Donuts. How's it going? Pretty good. How are you doing? Doing well. Enjoying this nice warm weather. Other than the fact that it's Cedar season , as I know, , myself and a lot of other Austin nights have, battled out a little bit.

But you still as someone who's originally from the Midwest, I still would rather have it be 50, 60, maybe even 70 degrees out, and have to battle a little bit of Cedar allergies then for it to be zero degrees.

Andy: Oh, absolutely. I'm from the DC area and been down here for 12 years and I don't I don't miss the cold in the snow.

No.

Troy: You don't have any imminent plan to

Andy: relocate back up there, do you? No. I do not.

Troy: Like I said Andy, Nicole here part of Andy Kay's donuts. Why don't you guys maybe give us just a brief kind of origin story about you mentioned coming from dc like what was your reasons for initially coming to Austin and how things

Andy: got going for you guys?

Yeah. Absolutely. I stayed in the area till I was like, in my early twenties and I got really into donuts for some reason around there. And all they had was Dunking Donuts. So I was like always on the search for finding donuts. And then just on a whim, moved down here with a friend, and then shortly after met Nicole and it's been 12 years coming up on it.

Yeah, coming up on 12 years together. . Yeah. Once, once we met, she shortly learned about my interest in donuts and the interest turned into an obsession. And then, yeah, just a couple years in, started making donuts all the time, trying to get down recipes and stuff like that, and thought it was gonna be a short process.

Ended up being probably four to five years of constantly working on cake, donuts, and yeas raised donuts and all different flavor ideas that I have. But eventually we got. it down to where we were happy with the, with what we were making and thought it was the right time to get started. But,

Nicole: And I'm originally from Austin, so when Andy moved here, I was like showing him around my favorite donut shops.

But there's not that many in town. And we don't have as many like Dunking Donuts or like bigger chains, but. Not a lot of there's a lack of like scratch made. Most places are just like small bag, bag mixes, neighborhood shops, which is totally fine. And like we love those. But there is definitely like a need for more of a crafted, can, crafted, artisanal type of donut.

Troy: Yeah. No. And de and definitely the breakfast taco definitely supersedes donuts when it comes to Austin Breakfast, absolutely. Any day of the week. But it does then leave a bit of a void for people who love and crave

Andy: donuts. Yeah. And especially with the so many people coming to Austin from elsewhere they quickly find that there's not donuts that fit the, their need for. Donuts that aren't like just the bag, like just

Troy: going to h e b and picking out, or

Andy: And little like mom and pop shops, like bag mix donuts come with a lot of ingredients that you may not want in the food you're eating with.

Like things that help the shelf life. Things that help with the color and consistency and all that stuff. , which all lends to changing the flavor and stuff like that. Yeah, like fortunately for us, Austin hasn't had that. There used to be one years ago called Red Rabbit which kind of turned into Wheatsville.

Wheatsville kind of took over Red Rabbit co-op, which was a donut making company, and they have those there. But beyond that, it's not, there's not anything that's like scratch made. That was our focus, and that's we're very focused on knowing what's in the food that, sure.

That we're making and making it taste good and interesting, which goes along with we're constantly changing flavors and stuff like that to keep it, interesting and appealing for all sorts of different people.

Troy: And it's hard to believe that there would need to be a shelf life for donuts because I feel like they just get eaten so quickly that, they would never need a shelf life.

Andy: But yeah. ,

Troy: no like anything food wise in America just because of, because. Very few things that you get are grown or made in your backyard these days anymore. Like you just have to have some type of shelf life for transportation and for different things that way. And like you mentioned too, there's, the cool part with having a city like Austin where you've had so many people moving is you have a lot of different interests and ideas and tastes and stuff that kind of start.

Come into a city, but you al you also have especially in the last. Decade or so with food in general, I'd say a much keener eye to what people are putting in their bodies from a health perspective. Whether it be stuff that they really are trying to avoid or just being at a bare minimum, more aware, I think in a lot of cases of what they're putting in, not that plenty of people still don't enjoy having some junk from time to time.

Yeah. But just are more cognizant of it. And maybe kinda limit it to some. .

Andy: Yeah. They're still donuts, but . But yeah, to go back to everyone coming here from out outside of Austin, we found out about some stuff that people are some traditions that people are into. Apple cider cake.

Donuts are not a thing down here, but they're huge up in the northeast and northwest. Where, apple orchard are There was someone that messaged us asking for donuts because apparently the college they go to one day a year, everyone skips class and goes and eats apple cider donuts, and that's not a thing that I've ever heard of and not a, but

Troy: it feels like Rich that needs to be started, I think college campus wise, but yeah, since we're, since we've all graduated college, I feel like it needs to happen work-wise as well too

Andy: yeah. Yeah would love it for everyone not to go to work and

Troy: national holiday on

Andy: National Donut Day.

Yeah, exactly. .

Troy: So you, so obviously it's you had lo loved donuts and then decided to start making some, when you first started making some, was there really ever any thought of turning that into a side hustle or a business versus just making 'em for yourself?

Andy: I just I had the idea of that I wanted to eventually open a donut shop and having little.

To know information on how to do that or where to start. I actually started working at a donut shop to just understand how a donut shop works. And I worked at one that was had locations in Oak Hill and Lakeway in Steiner Ranch. And I worked there for three, two to three years and learned like the ins and outs of a normal donut shop and like kind of start from there.

But as far as like making the recipes, that was just, . I wanted to, I

Troy: That was something you wanted to have unique to you guys in your shop eventually was the recipes and the flavors

Andy: And, yeah. Yeah. Component

Nicole: to it. And Andy's a perfectionist and so he just obsesses about it and , we would just be driving around and he is like all of a sudden do you think I should add another teaspoon of baking soda?

And he's just like constantly thinking about how he could change the texture to what he wanted. So like it was like maybe five years of just not every day, but like maybe every once a week making donuts or at least trying, yeah, a couple times a week. Like a couple times a week trying just in our apartment.

Andy: Yeah the goal was eventually to have a business and open up a shop. Cause we're we've been working in the food service industry for over a decade and just with that in mind of having our own business just want to learn the ins and outs of how a restaurant works in general, whether it's a donut shop.

A Mexican restaurant or a coffee shop, they're, they all have a lot of similar similarities that you can pick from and, oh, these people this is what they find efficient, an efficient way to run their business. Keep that in mind and, somehow let that work in our.

in our field,

Troy: sure. No try again. Trying to learn from others mistakes and suc and successes as well. But a lot of times it's learning from the mistakes so you can avoid those as much as possible, whether it be in the recipe kind of thing, in the business side of things or a lot of things.

Andy: Yeah, absolutely.

Troy: So it's one, so one of those things, Nicole, you never have to ask what do you like, the typical, woman all be so what are you thinking about for Andy? It's, I'm thinking about donuts and how Oh he'll tell

Nicole: me what he's

Andy: thinking about. Yeah. Yeah. She doesn't need to ask to talk about it.

She can just talk about it on game.

Troy: Just, I could just use a little bit of Yes. Could we just not talk about anything for a little? . That

Andy: sounds very familiar. Yeah. .

Troy: Absolutely. . Nice. I know currently I believe you guys still don't have your specific shop up, but you guys are running, you guys are the provider for donuts at a few different coffee shops and places around Austin as well as

Andy: doing delivery.

. Yeah, absolutely. There's nine shops that we are currently selling at weekends only, and primarily on the east side, but we have shop up north, all game mixed off of metric if anybody that's out of the delivery area wants to try them. But we're just trying like I was saying, we're in the food service industry, don't have a whole lot of capital to start our business, so we were just trying to find.

a way to get started and have people try our donuts. And we've gotten a following with starting out that way. And we have some diehard fans of ours. Yeah, there we would like to eventually have our own brick and mortar, but right now we're just using a shared commissary kitchen to make the donuts.

And then delivering them to all the shops and then delivering them to all the people who ordered the home

Troy: deliveries. Yeah, and it feels like there's a lot of benefits with that. Obviously, having that commu, having that, as we've learned in the last couple years, having that community in person, there's nothing that really can replace that at all.

But by being virtual, for the most part, it allows you guys to not have some of the overhead for one thing. Cuz then unfortunately the brick and mortar part a lot of times is the most expensive part for a restaurant. But then on top of it, it allows you to bring in. Have a wider area of potentially peop people of interest if you're delivering things.

Because where someone might not drive to a donut shop that's 20 minutes away, but if, you know you can get an order of a dozen donuts, it's easier for you guys to have that delivered to someplace,

Andy: potentially. Yeah, absolutely. We have people all across the city that we're able to deliver to and Hopefully those people will enjoy our donuts once we actually do have a brick and mortar that they will,

Nicole: visit us.

But it's also the shops get like a limited amount . Some people get there early and buy them and if you have a certain flavor in mind, I like having the option of doing the delivery instead of hunting it down. Cause people will message us like, this shop's out of this, where can I find this?

And I'm like, wanna help them So bad. But it's I feel like the best way.

Troy: Yeah, keep a live inventory of donut? Yeah. A different a different restaurant or different bakeries or coffee shops throughout Austin. Yeah. No I've seen other companies where they will one's like a gourmet brownie company that's, I think they're based out of Florida actually.

But like they'll, and they'll actually ship stuff. To my knowledge, but like they just it's whenever this person who has a regular full-time job decides, Hey, I wanna spend a weekend and make a bunch of different, a bunch of brownies, I'm gonna make these three flavors and then someone can order can put in pre-order so that way she knows how much to make.

At that point in time. So there's just so many different interesting potential ways to do it. Again, I think potentially a brownie has a little bit different shelf life than a donut would have, but for sure just knows that they both taste really

Andy: good, yep. . Yeah. Fair enough.

Troy: What has what the goal obviously eventually to have that store. Would it also be to still do delivery and store? Would it be to grow to multiple locations? What's is there a larger goal or is it just hitting that next mark of getting that brick and mortar location eventually

Andy: Just hitting the next mark?

The doors are open to any ideas and don't wanna shut anything out. If we can find a way. to do deliveries as well when we do that. Why close the door on that? But yeah, just trying to get to the next point and then from there, reassess the situation. Okay.

Troy: Was, you, me, you mentioned it's been obviously a few years in the making for you of thinking, Hey, this is what I want to do is make donuts and open up a shop. Was that something like how long had that been a passion or a goal for you?

Andy: What would you say as long as I've known you.

Yeah. So I guess probably it

Troy: was

Nicole: More like a, oh, this would be cool. Not a like I want to do it, but it turned from like a, this would be cool to, I wanna do it like pretty shortly in a couple years I think. . .

Troy: Yeah. It went from, wouldn't it be cool to have a donut shop and have that be your job to I think we could maybe try to make this work.

Yeah. And like

Nicole: also just I've been working in the restaurant industry just as long as he has, but primarily like in coffee shops, as a baristas. So I can see I saw like the, options that they had for like pastries a lot of times. The same shop and people get tired of the same like croissants and stuff like that, that places have.

We originally didn't really think about selling at coffee shops that just like we won, we thought about doing a farmer's market type of thing to begin with, but just how things flowed and worked out like that didn't end up working out. And then, a friend of ours in the restaurant industry is one of the GMs at the Media on Congress and like that was the first store that we were able to get our donuts in, just cuz like he was a friend of ours and we were just able to build off of that which is really helpful.

And just it just happened by us being like open to it, if that makes sense.

Andy: Yeah. . And after joining Instagram, there were a couple of other. Similar size like donut ventures or people that were just starting out that had different business business models. And there was Connie and Johnny is a donut shop in Nashville that were like in touch with through Instagram and they had the business plan of selling a coffee shops and doing it that way.

So I think that's where the idea stemmed from. But yeah, if you're ever in Nashville, Connie and Johnny Donut, ,

Troy: You're the guy. You're the guy to, to know where donuts are nationwide, probably.

Andy: It's a real problem. ,

Troy: It, it is, it's one of those, like most obsessions, right at your double-edged swords.

It isn't type of thing, like it's by, chasing your passion like that, you're getting a chance to live your dream, That's amazing when there's so many people who are working an office job or doing something that they probably don't really love or for you, you get to live, eat, and breathe.

Live, live, breathe, and literally eat your dream. .

Andy: Yep. Yeah. Ab absolutely. I get up at 10:00 PM to make the donuts. I refer to it as donut energy cause I'm never tired when I get up because I'm just like so passionate about making them and so excited about doing it that I just I get up and then make them through the night, have wild hours, but I'm never tired enough where I don't want to do it.

I'm just always just. I have to make the donuts. I wanna make the donuts. ,

Troy: you get to make the donuts right. Type of thing. That's awesome. Prior to doing the coffee shop thing was, were you guys already doing delivery or was that how you guys initially

Andy: started out? Yeah, that's how we initially started out with selling at the meteor and then doing the deliveries and then, Little by little we got more and more shops just went around with some samples and yeah, we

Nicole: just took boxes of samples to a bunch of coffee shops that like either we liked or we liked what part of town they were in, or we liked their vibes and just gave them a card.

And we're Hey, we're just starting out. This is what we have. This is what we're trying to do. We're selling at the meteor, so we're real. Please try us out. . And like eventually we were able to get. Yeah, I

Troy: think we're able to get like more and more a concern, right? Hey, great, yeah, we'd love some of your donuts, but is it a one-time thing or is it gonna be a, yeah,

Nicole: what are you guys up to?

Andy: And with in Austin there's so many small businesses like ours that, try things out and it doesn't catch. The media definitely helped us be one of the businesses that catch a little bit more cause it gave us, a little more valid. Let me give you

Troy: video also, like on the flip side, it gives you some actual sales cause like it's yeah.

AB absolutely as much as you have to stay, that is very important. As much as you have to stay passionate about continuing to make them from, like most people, you also have some level of bills to pay, even if you don't have the full on coffee shop right now. And getting that traction to actually have the sales to continue doing it.

Cuz there's a lot of people who start something and it's not that they necessarily get bored with it, but it's okay, shoot, I might need to go back to my barista gig because, that actually was getting some tips and paying the bills, whereas the making the donuts thing was not as enjoyable as

Andy: it might have been.

Yeah, absolutely. , there's a balancing act for sure.

Troy: How does that work then with you guys travel wise? Do you obviously get to travel and go check out donut shops around the countries all too as well or just with having the business here? Has that been a 52 week a year proposition?

The last

Andy: couple years? Yeah. We haven't, since we started the donuts, been able to do much traveling. But before then we had. done a lot of road trips across the country, out to California and up to Chicago, back to the DC area, and always trying to hit a lot of donut shops on the way. Trying to hit like the specialty ones for sure.

Donut vault in Chicago is a big influence on us. whose donuts in New Mexico, like something that we also try to do with our flavors is something that I'm really interested in doing is making the donut itself flavored, not just a frosting on top. So our cake donuts, like this month we have an oatmeal, brown sugar donut.

And so there's oatmeal as well as brown sugar in the donut. Or replace some of the regular sugar with brown sugar and, make it. So that it doesn't, so it bakes correctly, but it also has a flavor and is a little more dynamic flavor wise and interesting than just like the same thing just with the brown sugar frosting or what have you, which could also get my mind going a hundred miles an hour just thinking of different types of ideas.

But that's something that whose donuts did in New Mexico. They had a blueberry lavender frosting with a blue corn meal cake donut, and I. Blue corn meal. I've never seen that before. Let me try to do that and then, it goes from there. But but yeah, there's, I would love to make it to the northeast of New York to try all those shops and I would love to try them all, even without so far away

Nicole: Yeah. Even without traveling, we follow so many shops on Instagram and just , to keep up with what the trends are and like, not copy places, but there's just so many flavors you wouldn't think about. Unless you see someone else do it. And it's like maybe we could take some inspiration from that because there's so many shops doing great things like around the country for sure.

Troy: Is it harder to make So like you're talking about there with the oatmeal and brown sugar, is it harder to try to change the flavor of the actual donut, I'm assuming, than try to change again, a frosting or some other

Andy: flavors? Oh, abso components, absolutely. Yeah. All the, they'll be minor changes depending on what ingredient you put in there, and they'll.

You have a certain amount of liquid that you put into your normal recipe, and then you change one of the ingredients and that will absorb a different amount of liquid, say than like regular flour does. So you have to account for that. And then the sugars and. , everything reacts a little bit differently depending on what it is.

So that's always I'm always learning about the different ingredients and how they react. And some have more of a positive aspect. Some have a negative, some might change the texture of the donut a little bit, which I'm open to. Cause that just makes the donut that much more unique, but there's definitely challenges when trying to actually get the flavors into the.

Troy: Does that I'm assuming as someone who's been doing this now for a while though, that actually excites you having that added degree of difficulty.

Andy: Yeah. Yeah. For,

Nicole: oh yeah. It, that's like why we also like to change the flavors every month because like even throughout the month we start getting bored of certain flavors and no particular reason why not the taste of anything but just.

it's fun to do things differently. Like even just the toppings, the drizzles, yeah. The process to just keep it enriching,

Andy: find a new process or challenge yourself. It's starting to do things in a new way is always gonna be some sort of a challenge. And whenever you finish it and you get it done and you get that sense of satisfaction.

So that's always there. So it's nice to always challenge yourself. , so much to challenge myself with the donuts I'm finding out. . Yeah, it's

Troy: not while I'm sure it could be simple, right? You could be crispy cream and hey, we just do a glazed donut. And you can make a lot of money off of something that's very simple.

The, they're, the possibilities are probably almost endless as far as what you could decide

Andy: to. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We don't make it easy on ourselves, for sure. ,

Troy: do you have any specific flavors or things that you're hoping to try to do? With the donuts this year.

Andy: So we've been doing

Troy: Or maybe how so you can answer that too, but, or like, how far in advance do you plan some of that stuff?

Is that just a okay, we're getting bored now, let's just figure out stuff for next month? Or is that a longer kind of planning process of, Hey, here's an idea, let's do, let's start working on this and it may take six months for us to really get it to where we wanna.

Andy: There's like constant lists I'm making of like different donut flavor ideas.

We have been going like month to month like every two months getting the menus together. But we're trying to, this year since we've done about three years of menus, six flavors per menu, so it's 200 different. So we're gonna start repeating some of the flavors. But I've been reading some cookbooks lately and something that really excites me right now.

I read there was a sauce on some it was like beef or lamb or something, but it was Lincoln Berry Ancho, chili, and thyme was the flavor. And Weird flavor. Combinations. Mixtures. Yeah, combinations get me very excited. And especially if I can put it into a donut somewhere. So I don't know if that's gonna happen.

Sure. We'll find out. We'll try it. But yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna be something that I'm trying out, but but yeah, it's we're trying this year to get a lot more ahead of the ball, so we're gonna be. Hopefully six months out, have the menus planned and stuff like that. And repeating the flavors is gonna make that a lot easier.

Sure. Because we also, with our menu, since there's only six flavors, we try to balance them as much as we can with a chocolate, a fruity caramelly,

Nicole: vanilla boiler.

Troy: Like not too different. You don't want them all to be the lamb.

Andy: Time type of yeah. We want whole product. Have a weird one.

We can have a normal one. .

Nicole: Yeah. Cause people like to try the weird ones, but people also, I am more of a picky person, so I'm gonna want like the traditional flavors, whereas Andy, of course wants the weird thing. Yeah. Yeah. So like it's fun to do it and see what people respond to and what people like.

And with this year also, like I was able to just recently quit my restaurant job instead of us both do during the week having day jobs and then the donuts on the weekends, I'll be able to go shopping. So Andy doesn't have to do that after work. Do this and that. So hopefully we're gonna try to tighten things up.

And also not expand more, but try to get more stuff done this year. Cause we're finally able to Yeah.

Troy: Have we, there's only so many hours in a day as, as much as you love. Yeah. Yeah. Unless you love making donuts. He's called to sleep sometimes. So

Andy: yeah. You have to clean your apartment person. It's

Nicole: crazy.

You have to make dinner for yourself. You have to have time together so you don't hate,

Troy: that's not advised last name. You mentioned having, In the ballpark of say, 200 donuts that you've done over the last three years, have you, prior to starting this year, have you guys ever replicated a donut during that timeframe?

Andy: Yeah. We had some the way the menu was structured changed. We started with having a classic section that had like glazed donuts, chocolate. Strawberry, like more like donut flavors. Yeah. There's donut shop flavors and those would change every month, but there's only so many of those.

. So those so we did

Nicole: like chocolate with sprinkles a couple times. Strawberry sprinkles, more of those.

Andy: But, and coming back from the break last year last summer, we took a two week break and then came back in September and did. Contest where people could pick their favorite flavors over the years, and one with the most votes one.

So that was like a whole menu of flavors that we brought back, but there's so many little minute changes that you can make to flavors that it's it's raspberry, but it's raspberry with something else. And so there's just like an endless amount of options. Some people just want to want the same thing back, so we gotta listen to the customers and

Nicole: we can also revisiting them, we are finding we can do things better, or different Cause

Troy: You're better your craft than you were.

Yeah,

Nicole: it's been exactly, it's been like two years since we've made this. So like we've learned a lot about what goes into this type of donut since then.

Troy: Has there any donut, has there been a donut idea creation that never that, or one specifically that just never quite made it out of the test kitchen that you were thinking like, oh, this is just gonna be amazing and then somehow you just never could quite perfect it to bring it out of the test kitchen?

Andy: Yeah, there was the few that kind of happened with one specifically. I didn't make it more than once cuz it. So it was A jerk, spiced donut. Okay, so like jerk chicken without the chicken, which, it's all spice and cinnamon and stuff like that. But then there's also like onion and garlic.

And whenever you took the bite, you're like, oh, this is like spice cake. and then the garlic came and the onion came and just sat in your mouth and was after. Not the basket . Not it . But yeah there's a lot of flavors that we've tried that just like a lot of times things would just be a little underwhelming and the flavor won't come through too much.

Like I tried making like a big red donut where I used like big red in the donut, made a big red glaze and it pink and it was sweet, but didn't taste like big red You.

Troy: So you're, what you're saying is like being the, having to be the taste tester as well isn't, is, it sounds like the dream job.

There are the occasional test donuts that are not quite, where you're like, eh, I don't really need this garlic taste in my

Andy: mouth anymore. So Yeah, precisely. .

Troy: For people who are interested in keeping in contact with you guys and seeing what things you guys are doing this year, what the best ways for people to do

Andy: that?

Instagram, I would say at Andy K's donuts we're, that's where we do most of our. Just most of our everything, every promotion. Yeah. And then we have our website where you can contact us through email and then also order the donuts and find out more information about us and where we sell them and all that type of stuff.

But the most updated thing is the Instagram, but we're on both every day. Sure. Yeah. Gotta

Troy: be multiple places in a lot of, in, in. In the service industry these days to be where people are looking for you.

Andy: Yeah. Let people know you're here for sure.

Troy: when, and so you mentioned the, do you guys already know what's on the menu then?

For January, I'm assuming?

Andy: Yeah. Yeah. So we got that brown sugar cake donut and we also do a vegan cake donut. So that one's gonna be a coconut cake donut, which. Coconut flour in it, coconut oil in it, coconut milk. So it's a very coconuty cake donut. And then it has coconut milk frosting on it. And then we do three flavors of yeast raised donuts chocolate frost with sprinkles, just to do like a classic.

We're gonna try to bring more of those back this year. Cause sometimes we do get a little bit, a little strange . But we're also doing a lemon honey tea donut, which is something that Cole likes to drink, which is. You fill, you cut a lemon up, put it in a jar, and then fill the jar up with honey, and then the flavors infuse and you can let it since, like honey never goes bad.

It'll sit in the fridge for months and the flavor will just just Deepen a little bit. . And so put that in tea. It's really good. Yeah. So we're doing a donut with a frosting of that. We're gonna be doing a blueberry, lavender glaze, and then we also do fritters. And this one this month is a banana walnut, so it's gonna have bananas and walnut and cinnamon in the dough all chopped up.

And, Made into deliciousness, .

Troy: That doesn't sound bad. I'm not necessarily the biggest coconut person ever, but I, it's for a lot of people it's either, I feel like it's a stru, it's a polarizing flavor for most people. You love it. Absolutely. Either you love it or you hate it. So if you love it, then the more coconut you can jam pack into it, I'm sure it will drive those people.

Yeah. Pretty excited.

Andy: Yeah. Yeah. I get that there's yeah, certain flavors that it's just people are either into or they're not. And I like to try everything. I can be picky, but I like to try it all, but I get that .

Troy: Cool. say yeah, definitely check 'em out on Instagram.

That's how I actually found out about them. And through word of mouth. I actually had a, one of my previous guests max Kuk, who mentioned here already that he, how he loves your donuts as well too. Oh, wonderful. Nothing but good things. So I, he has taken the time to to do the podcast today and hope you guys have a lot of success here in 2020.

Thank you so much.

Andy: Appreciate having us. Thank

Troy: you. Thanks a lot everyone. Everyone have a wonderful day.