Dr. Brynna Connor, Family Medicine

In this interview with Dr. Brynna Connor we discuss the journey to opening up her own practice.  The challenges in running a family medicine practice and the innovations that the last few years have brought to her practice.

Troy: Good afternoon, Austin. Hope everyone is enjoying their Thursday. am joined today by Dr. Brenna Connor, of Brenna Connor, family medicine, who I've known for a while. Now, I appreciate you taking the time to, to join me today.

Troy: So, you know, wanted to have you on, I know we connected, that's been a couple of years now, time again, time flies. I'm always amazed at how the last year and a half have felt like, obviously there's been a long year and a half, but they've also felt like nothing because there were so few things that happened like event wise, like you didn't travel places and stuff. So it's like, I've known you since well before the pandemic and that's now over two years. but, you know, I love your story and kind of what you have, built in the medical space and so wanted to chance to, have, have you talked about that a little bit, so, kind of tell us a little bit about, you know, who you are and what you, what you're currently doing.

Dr. Brynna: Okay. Well, thank you. It's interesting. Yeah, it's the last year and a half of all of our lives. We are probably forever being able to mark pre pandemic life with, during pandemic and post pandemic. it's been an interesting ride. We have definitely seen a lot of people. I think one of the most profound things that I have seen in the last six months, especially is people wanting to take a more proactive, preventative approach to their health, which is awesome to see cause it's what I love to do and to help people and guide them in terms of what they need to do down the road and in the years to come to make sure that they are staying strong and healthy and all of the things that fall into making those things happen. I do general family medicine, which I'm board certified in family medicine.

Dr. Brynna: I also do integrative, anti-aging and regenerative medicine. So in that bucket falls, many different things that are more comprehensive. We take a deep dive into people's health. We take a deep dive into their overall health and sense of wellbeing. And whether that is looking at their emotional, their nutritional, their sleep hygiene, their relationships, all of that falls into family medicine and everybody's healthcare and medical, health and wellness spear. And so we look at the whole picture and that's what I love to do the most. So that's what we do. And that's what we've continued to do. Unfortunately, have been doing a lot more of it recently.

Troy: Nice and kind of a little bit about your background then. So, you know, again, I'm guessing, you know, like most people, you probably didn't grow up in Austin, Texas, or at least most people that you see here in the Austin area are transplants from other parts of the country. So maybe tell a little bit about kind of where you originally from and maybe what right Austin.

Dr. Brynna: Sure. I would love to, it's not an easy answer. I was born in California. My family moved around a lot. I lived in Ohio, South Carolina, Houston, Texas. I lived in Chicago. I lived in Wyoming. I lived in Miami. I lived in Guadalajara, Mexico for two years. So I have moved around quite a bit. I landed back in Austin, to do my residency in family medicine at Breckenridge hospital, which now is no more. but I moved to the evac here then. I knew that I wanted to most likely come back to Texas. I did an interview at some programs in other parts of the country. And I decided that Texas is where I want it to be. And I knew that if I came back to Texas, I wanted to be in Austin. So I had been here for the last almost 14 years and finished my residency in family medicine and then worked in various capacities, doing independent contractor work for different entities before starting my own practice almost eight years ago now.

Troy: And what kind of got you into deciding to get into medicine as a career

Dr. Brynna: It was not a direct line for me. I went to a small liberal arts school in north, Texas by the name of Austin college in Sherman, Texas. And I got my degree in a bachelor of arts in liberal arts with a concentration in psychology. And I was not sure at that time, what I wanted to do with that. I did not know where I wanted to go in terms of working with people. I did work a lot with people with disabilities when I lived in Wyoming. I also did some grant writing and fundraising for some nonprofits. And honestly, probably the main reason I ended up deciding to go to medical school is because my father died at a very young age of a massive heart attack. And I realized not only, okay, I really want to be preventative in my approach to my own health and my family's health, but I also, life is short and I want to do what I really want to do.

Dr. Brynna: And since I was a very young child, I wanted to be a physician. I just wasn't sure what that looked like. And we didn't have any physicians in the family. And so I had no idea where to begin, but I started the road and taking my prerequisites, in the late nineties. And then I went back to school and here we are time, literally time flies. You talk about pre during and post pandemic life and time just flies all the way around. I used to think that people would say that it doesn't really mean anything that doesn't really happen, but of course it does. So that was probably the strongest emphasis for me to go to medical school. And I, it's definitely, definitely what I was born to do. And I'm so glad that, I made that decision and, went down that pathway.

Dr. Brynna: It's a long one, but it's so worth it, especially with the type of medicine that I get to practice, it's really worth it because we're able to really dig deep and help people, to take better care of themselves, but also to help educate them and to help them learn how to advocate for themselves. the last thing I want my patients to think is that I'm going to tell them what they should do or should be doing or should have done. That's never an approach that I want to take. I like to meet them where they are and help educate them on their options and also teach them how to advocate for themselves as they try to navigate the medical system and also their own healthcare.

Troy: Very nice. Yeah. It's, it's nice. I mean, I always find a lot of joy when I meet anybody that is doing what they love to do, right. Like I feel like there are a lot of people in all walks of life who do, who kind of are doing a job that they kind of fell into or that, or that they thought they were supposed to do. I'm sure there's, you know, there are a lot of doctors who get into that field because it sounds prestigious or their, you know, their mom or dad was a doctor or that's kind of the path that they, were pushed towards, for that matter. And not that there aren't a lot of great doctors doing that too, but I do think in any job, walk of life, that someone who has a passion and a real joy for what they do is just going to be better at that job.

Dr. Brynna: I think. So, and also get so much enjoyment out of it too. I mean, don't, we all want to get up every day and do something that we like to do and we get some joy out of doing it. It makes it that much more pleasurable for us as well, but yeah, definitely. And you meet with people who have all different types of careers and people who really enjoy what they do. It's inspiring, it's it creates a magnetism where you are drawn to that person in their field for what they do. And we're all happier for it. I believe so. Yes. I mean, of course we all have bad days, right There are some days where I want to be on a beach. A beach is my happy place. I love the water as people would see if they went to my website, but I love to have challenges.

Dr. Brynna: I mean, we are so fortunate in my practice. I have so many super educated people and people who really do their due diligence and come to me and say, I learned about this new research study, or what do you think about this evidence-based article that I'm about to show you So it really keeps me on my toes also in terms of keeping up with the most up-to-date information so that I can practice medicine for the future and with precision. Yeah. Everybody's different. Everybody reacts to different medications or interactions or integrative therapeutics, people react differently. And so we take a real personalized approach.

Troy: Right. Very nice. And again, especially with, especially with B, try wanting to become a physician one, if you don't love it, it's a long path to get to behave, being able to do the job in and of itself. And then again, the, you know, kind of something I'm sure we'll touch base on is the fact that we're obviously things like medicine and health and diets and all these things have gotten better and better over the last number of years, couple of decades, which is why we're living longer. But at that same point in time, it leads to even the, it leads to me, it leads in my opinion, to need to be more intentional with what you plan to do with your life anyway, because you know, people graduate college or do stuff, you know, you're in your mid twenties and you still have 60 plus years of a work life left in front of you. Again, hopefully you're doing something you love. So it's awesome that you get to do that.

Dr. Brynna: Absolutely. I mean, don't you remember when you were in college, you couldn't wait to get out. Like I want this to be over. I want this to be over with, just to be over. I mean, now I look back and I think, oh, I try to encourage, I see a lot of college students in my practice. You know, you don't have to know what you're going to do when you graduate. However, stay in school. If you feel like there's something else that you would like to do postgraduate level wise because it flies by. And then all of a sudden you really have to be an adult and be responsible for everything. And you don't want to make a decision that you're going to regret or race through something and not enjoy the process and also enjoy what you're doing because that will happen. And it flies by.

Troy: Yeah, no, I mean, there's a lot of great college memories. I still do not miss the test taking any of those kinds of things, but, but you know, yeah, there's a lot of freedom that comes with being in college versus venturing out more, more on your own. so kind of in that same vein of, you know, how life expecting stuff has changed in your time as a physician, kind of what things, you know, as someone who tries to stay relatively healthy tries to, you know, do stuff, knowing that, as I've had, grandparents that have lived to be a hundred, and stuff. And so you think, okay, you could be on this earth for another 60 years. I would like that to be as high, a quality of life as possible. And so you think of taking care of yourself, but how have you seen that shift And do you feel like that shift really is in more and more, has been happening to more and more people Because again, when you're in it yourself, you feel like, oh, if I'm doing this, there's must be a lot of people doing it that way. And obviously there's, there are some, but there's some who don't have you been, have you seen kind of a, a shift in that type of focus for a lot of people at all

Dr. Brynna: I think I've seen a lot more interest from enemies and standpoint and people figuring out how do I boost my immune system so that I am as healthy as I possibly can be. Oh, really been advocating. And I have found the need with my patients the last year to advocate for getting back to the basics and getting back to, are you getting proper nutrition And what does that look like for you Are you sleeping And if you're not, let's make sure that we address that and why, what the root cause of the problem is that we're not just putting a Band-Aid on it or taking a medication, but really getting to the root cause of why is this happening Where's the anxiety stemming from where are, you know, this extra stress that many people are carrying around and have been before 2020, but it just seems a little bit more pronounced with many people these days because of the expectations and certain fears and, you know, misinformation, that is, that is spread, but also, just the idea of trying to move on and wanting to be the best version that they can be of themselves.

Dr. Brynna: and so to that end, a lot of times we will take into consideration different genetic testing to show predispositions. There's, there's so much coming down the pipeline in terms of the future of medicine and using technology and using more advanced, testing, to be able to tell people what not only runs in their family, but what they might have a predisposition to because we can't change our genetics, but we can change what we do with that information. And so it can be really helpful in from a preventative standpoint, but getting back to the basics in terms of, okay, let's make this more simple, let's break this down in terms of, I don't want you to be overwhelmed if I'm recommending certain supplements. It's not because I want you to make expensive urine it's because based on some labs that we did, it looks like you might be deficient in this area.

Dr. Brynna: If you can get it through whole foods, that is wonderful. Let's talk about what that looks like. Getting back down to the basics of what people could be doing on a daily basis, baby steps, not changing everything at once, because that is very overwhelming baby steps in terms of what can we introduce into your life, into your diet, into your lifestyle and your habits, your routines, so that people don't feel as though here am telling them what they should do or what they need to remove, or what is bad that they are doing, because that's not necessarily the case. They might just need a little bit of guidance from a micronutrient perspective or from a sleep hygiene perspective, or about what they might be able to do to help them feel better. And so that longevity wise, they are the healthiest version of themselves because you're right, we are living longer and hopefully healthier lives. And that's the key, obviously, because you want to be as cognitively intact age gracefully in order to live as long as possible in a healthy way.

Troy: Yeah. So it's like they sleep is one of those big ones that I think people don't always take as seriously as they should. Just because again, life gets busy and it feels like you have to, there's a lot of different things that you have to get done and, you know, work basket, ASCA, done stuff with kids, appointments, all those kinds of things, but, is a huge component of, you know, being healthy and be able to do those things while you're awake at this high a level as possible.

Dr. Brynna: Absolutely. I promise you the way I got your medical school was para naps. I could literally lay down and I trained myself to go to sleep within a few minutes and sleep for 25 to 30 minutes. And then I would wake up and go about my study day or study night or whatever was happening, the power naps. I love them. And a lot of people seem to have guilt about taking that break. Even if they are just resting, closing their eyes and resting, if they don't necessarily fall asleep or get into a cycle of a deep sleep, having just that rest, closing their eyes, stepping away from the screen, stepping away from their computer, which so many of us are spending a lot of our time on these days allows their body to just take that break that is so much needed. And I was reading some information.

Dr. Brynna: I mean, obviously that takes somebody a long time to fall asleep, then there's a problem. And if it takes them no time at all to fell asleep, that's a problem. You know, we don't think about that being an issue. It's sort of like, oh, if you fall asleep within five minutes, that's a good thing. Not necessarily, it probably means you're sleep deprived. So taking those basic things into consideration and not feeling guilty for that part of the self care is hugely important. And with proper sleep, we can think so much more clearly, like you just said, cognitively we're much sharper. We have better focus and our mood is better if we get proper sleep.

Troy: No. And I remember seeing studies at one point in time, I mean, years ago, but I'm sure not a whole lot has changed that like from a driving perspective, like being sleep deprived as similar to being in a DUI, like in, under the influence of alcohol or other types of substances and stuff too. And so you don't, you don't think of the danger of that, but it's a very real,

Dr. Brynna: Absolutely.

Troy: You mentioned, some of the technology that's coming down, you know, done in more and more into medicine, obviously on the pharmaceutical side, it's kind of, I mean, there's more stuff coming, but that's kind of been the first place where it seemed like technology was coming in and that has, in my opinion, has had some good, some definitely some good things, but also potentially an over-reliance on some of those components that you mentioned, kind of some of the testing, like DNA and genetic marker testing, which I imagine has probably been extremely helpful in a lot of cases because the earlier you can detect a disease or a potential disease, the more likely you are to be able to take action to prevent it from becoming a serious issue.

Dr. Brynna: Right. Definitely. It's very fascinating. What is available now in terms of G and a T DNA testing for, particular genetic, cancers, inherited susceptibility to developing certain cancers, there's salivary testing, there's blood testing, there's salivary testing for DNA markers for enzymes that metabolize everything that we ingest from a pharmaceutical or an integrative, supplement standpoint. And there is testing to see what our DNA, what our genetics tells us in terms of how we're going to metabolize that. Are we going to slowly metabolize it Are we to quickly metabolize It would be more, we would be more likely to have a side effect or a risk of this problem or this problem, or this problem with that medication. And you're able to really delineate that by using some of these genetic tests that are relatively new and very fascinating to look at. And oftentimes I find that when I do a test of that type with a patient that we're able to look back and say, wow, that explains something from the past, or that explains why you feel this way, or that explains why you may have more of a need for adrenaline rush type activities, or why, when you took that one medication, you had a side effect different than when you took another medication, that's similar to it because they use different enzyme pathways.

Dr. Brynna: It's very, very fascinating. I love it because it really does bring home the personalization of medicine and you can be that much more precise in treating patients with utilizing those tools. And I just see probably more and more happening down the road in terms of what we're going to be able to discover through that type of testing. For sure.

Troy: and so you obviously have now, how about, how about how long have you had your pro your private practice here in Austin

Dr. Brynna: I can't believe this. I opened in January of 2014, so almost eight years. And,

Troy: And I'd say, what had you transitioned from obviously working in medical field to deciding, to open your own practice

Dr. Brynna: My practice was born out of house calls, believe it or not. I started doing house calls and then eventually I was driving around our lovely Austin traffic. And even at that time, eight years ago, nine years ago, it was getting pretty thick. And I decided that I probably needed a brick and mortar spot to be able to see people and not just go to their home. And so I transitioned into that still offering house calls and I still offer house calls to this day. prior to that, what I had been doing was I had been doing some injury work with a chiropractic clinic. I had been doing some work with the dermatologist. I had been doing a lot of urgent care work and some hospitalist work. And I had been doing some other independent contracting with them, some other, family medicine clinics after I finished residency prior to starting my practice.

Troy: Nice. And so what's kind of been maybe one of the bigger, what was, as you were starting, what was maybe one of the bigger challenges is kind of starting your own practice

Dr. Brynna: I think that one of the biggest challenges, Troy is running a business because I didn't learn that in medical school and my undergrad is not in business. And that is one of my biggest regrets. I wish that I had taken a business class. I had no idea how to do that. I just sort of had this mentality of, I want to practice medicine. I want to treat the patients. I don't want to have to learn how to run a business. Well, I wouldn't say that. I said, I didn't want to have to learn how to do it, but I will say that I thought, I don't know how to do it. And so the last eight years I've been definitely doing a business 1 0 1 and made a lot of mistakes along the way, but learning how to run a business when you are in private practice is a whole different ball game. And there are certain parts of it that I absolutely love. And there are others that I really just want to be left to practice medicine, but it's been an interesting journey and quite an interesting learning experience.

Troy: I think for a lot of people who, get into a field and then decide, they kind of want the freedom to kind of do it on their own, like for like they usually, while I'm sure you enjoy the freedom you have of having your own practice from a patient standpoint, a lot of those same sets of people, regardless of the initiative they get into don't necessarily, get into it for the business side of it. But it's just kind of one of those necessary evils of having to do, you know, having to do your financials and paperwork and some of those kinds of things, you know, like, no, I want to help. I want to see patients. I want to spend my time studying and figuring out those, the new things that are coming into medicine and how they can help the people that I interact with.

Dr. Brynna: You're absolutely right. And if I had my way, I would prefer just to do the practice of medicine. However, in private practice, I have a really close relationship with a lot of my patients. Most of my patients, I try to establish that rapport. And so you do in dealing with the business part of things, because you want to follow through on people's tasks and their imaging. And you want to make sure that all of the administrative things that do end up helping the practice of medicine are taken care of. And so we do a lot of navigating with our patients and hand holding them through the process of the specialists that we may need to send them to, or the cat scan that we may need to send them for. And a lot of that is more administrative and not necessarily the practice of medicine, but it is important. And it leads to better continuity with patients and that leads to better patient care. And because of the nature of my medical practice and the relationship that we have with patients, and that we're a very small boutique family practice. We are able to do that where we're not caught in a wheel of so much administrative overload, for lack of a better word, that we're able to do that in a very individualized basis. However, I still wish that I would have taken a meth business class.

Troy: No, it's, yeah, there's always know. There's always plenty of stuff. That is one of those. You don't know what you don't know, right. There's plenty of stuff that you would have been prompt or beneficial at the same time though. How much of that at that time would you have retained Right. Like I, I took two years of Spanish and don't speak any Spanish whatsoever. So it's like, if you, unless at the time you felt like you were going to really start your own practice while you were in school, would you, how much of that information would you have retained and 15 plus years later, how much of it is still the same, the same important information versus what they would have taught 15, 20 years ago

Dr. Brynna: Definitely a very valid point.

Troy: So you mentioned you have the two locations here in the Austin area, where are they located

Dr. Brynna: So my practice in central Austin is very close to the university of Texas, right In that medical district, near St. David's main hospital, right off of red river, just a block west of So it's very central. And my Lakeway practice is out here right next to the Vic E R, right on highway six, 20, right in the Oaks at Lakeway. And I split my time between the two and then obviously house calls or wherever that needs to happen. And then after hours or urgent care, I'm available to my patients and can meet them at either location, depending on where they live.

Troy: I mean, do you end up, I'm assuming having two very different types of patient clientele based on the locations,

Dr. Brynna: You know, it's interesting. I wasn't sure how that would play out. I think the most significant difference is that I have a lot of UT students in my central practice, but I have some people who need to be seen potentially that day in person. And they will come to the other, we're not that far apart from each other, but I would say definitely the Lakeway practice draws from, people who live even further west, you know, the Spicewood area, Kerrville even, new Braunfels and then the central practice. I've had people come from Killeen, east Austin, central Austin, Crestview, Rosedale that area in Northwest Hills. But, we are also doing a lot of telemedicine. So if it's not convenient for people to go to either location, then we can meet them online as well for certain things we can do.

Troy: Yeah. And that's been a huge thing, obviously in any and every industry. Was that something that you were doing a lot of prior to the pandemic or, I mean, I'm sure I'm sure that ramped it up regardless, but yeah.

Dr. Brynna: Yes. It ramped it up for sure. In March of 2020, but we were doing telemedicine not as much, but we had it as a capability that we were definitely doing with patients and it's going to be here forever. I'm sure there's a lot of patients who really like it. And for certain things, it's really nice, like a lab review meeting or to go over certain things or to triage patients to see what they might need to do if they need to go to the hospital, ER, if they need to come into my office for testing, if they are concerned about, you know, the flu or COVID, we do testing for all of that in my office, but if they're just not sure, and they want to jump on a video call quickly to let me know what their symptoms are, then that's fine too. And some people don't feel well enough to leave the house. And so we utilize it for that, but yes, we were doing telemedicine before the pandemic started last March and, it's definitely ramped up and then back down a little bit now we're probably doing 40% telemedicine, 60% in office.

Troy: Okay. And that's, you said that's been coming down a little bit as kind of started to get, back to more normal levels.

Dr. Brynna: Yes, definitely. And I love seeing people in office. I was just telling a patient that this morning, cause they were asking me a question and I, I said, I love seeing patients in office after all of this time. And patients will call and say, well, are you doing in office visits And I'm thinking, yeah, we've been doing a little time, please come in, come in, come in. Because a lot of people just don't realize, I think that, that they can come into the office and they definitely can. So I love seeing them in person. And there's some visits that need to happen in office because there are certain exam modalities that need to be utilized that we just can't do on telemedicine. Yeah.

Troy: Yeah. They don't have, unless you send them to target to get their blood pressure taken and give you the results. It's hard to get some of those 10 different tests.

Dr. Brynna: Yeah. And it's a little funny, not funny. A lot of people have a pulsox now these days. Right. Because they bought the pulsox during the pandemic just to double-check. And so we're able to get those. And I have many patients who, do you have a blood pressure cuff at home now Or they have certain technology that's wearable devices or wearable technology where they can even get an EKG, to check their cardiac rhythm and can check their blood pressure at home. But many exams clearly need to happen in the office.

Troy: As I say, how do you, how do you see Cause there is a, again, as someone who's trying to tries to generally be somewhat proactive kind of fitness stuff, you do start to see a lot of things, obviously like, you know, apple watches and O rings and all these different stuff that, you know, more focus on, you know, are you getting your steps in and those types of things, but theoretically they have heart rate monitors on them and EKG kind of things and all these different, types of potential readings and things. Is there, are you seeing a lot more technology happened that way that's useful in a true medical sense Cause again, there's also talk and thoughts about like, oh yeah, it says you're getting the, you know, how accurate is the information that this device has given you Is it giving you more ballpark stuff Is it giving you information that's accurate to again, take to a doctor and kind of give, get it legitimate results from

Dr. Brynna: Yeah, I think that's a great question because obviously there's good technology and then there's some, that's not so great. a lot of times what I'll do to make sure that we're getting precise information from home to office is when they come in for their visit, I'll say, bring your devices, bring your blood pressure cab, bring your post-docs, let's check yours with you and mine with you. And let's see how they measure up because we want to make sure that we are getting the most accurate and precise information with regard to heart rhythms. We can sometimes put a heart patch monitor on a patient that they didn't wear for a couple of weeks, the more data the better. So I asked them to wear it as long as they can. Some people don't want to tolerate it for more than seven days or so. and I've had some people who've worn it even shorter, but we can get that information, the heart rhythm, we can get any cardiac events that are on that monitor. And then the report comes back to me and it's something that is super easy for the patient to do because it just literally sticks on the skin on their chest. So there's all types of different ways where we can get that data. Some devices obviously yes are better than the others. And there's many opinions out there about what is what, but the best way for me to figure that out with patients is to just have them bring it in and then we can check it against what my devices say. No.

Troy: And it's one of those that regardless, you know, someone who is being proactive in that way, even if the information isn't 100% accurate is probably being more consciously healthy in a lot of their decision-making and is getting some, feedback there. I, for with similar kind of, for people who want to lose weight, like it's not necessarily always the number on the scale because that can fluctuate over the course of a day and a couple of days without the true, true, meaningful differences. But if you're having, if you have even slightly inaccurate numbers to use as a baseline for numbers going forward, that does give you some idea of trends of health and things to

Dr. Brynna: Absolutely. I agree with that a hundred percent. Yes.

Troy: On a lighter note, I've been asking a lot of my guests lately to, what's their kind of their current favorite Austin restaurant as a way to kind of get a list of restaurants that might be of interest to different people. The excuse that I'm using is that one of my favorites, interstellar barbecue, which is relatively new place up in north Austin was recently reviewed by Texas monthly is the second best barbecue place in the state of Texas. So now my favorite barbecue place has long lines and makes me wait. And so, you know, maybe we can, show some love to the restaurant that you love. And I mean, hopefully I'll have long lines for us to have to wait, but need to get the word out. So is there, has there been one or two that you've really, kind of enjoyed lately

Dr. Brynna: I am so behind, I heard of two restaurants just this morning that are, that have been around for a little while that are apparently delicious, wonderful that I haven't even been to. I am so behind. I don't have a great one and that local, right, right around the corner from our clinic here in Lakeway, it's had since, you know, hill country that reopened a couple of years ago and we'll go there every now and then more for the ambience, the food is wonderful. It's more farm to table and wild game. If you're into that sort of thing. I always order the vegetarian option and get ridiculed at our table, but that's okay. It's delicious. I love it. but otherwise, gosh, I hate to be such a better for you. I don't have other good restaurant recommendations.

Troy: Yeah. I haven't gone out to as many restaurants as I could should, you know, like, not that not that you have to go to restaurants, but right. It's just been kind of one of those things that it's been probably not as high on people's list to go try as many new places, and, or venture out as much as, as we have yet.

Dr. Brynna: No, I had it actually. I had a great early dinner last week at Juliet and the Arboretum because they have a great patio. I'm always now I find myself on the search for great patios to go to, especially with our weather and just to be outside in the open air. They, I had a great, sort of, order appetizer, early dinner. I called it dinner. And then yesterday I had a great lunch from flower child. Have you eaten there How it's delicious. It's, it's really whole foods. And, it's not all vegetarian, but they do a lot of good plant-based dishes. And I was pretty impressed with everything that I've had from there, but I need to get out more to some of the more local restaurants because well, those three are local, I think. But, I need to get out more Time. We talk with a better idea.

Troy: Yeah. I have some plans at the start of the new year to try to hit, hit some additional, try to just try out some different places and stuff. So we'll see how all that works, but that's kind of one of the goals.

Dr. Brynna: That's a great idea.

Troy: I really appreciate taking the time to, to jump on and chat. And it's always super interesting to hear your story and kind of what's going on in the world of family medicine.

Dr. Brynna: Well, thank you Troy. So good to see you. Nice to be here. I'd be able to run a full holiday.

Troy: Thanks. Appreciate it. Have a good day.

Dr. Brynna: You too. Bye.